“There’s not a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats”

by Dr. Ed Berry

A Tea Party activist at the Republican Lincoln-Reagan Dinner, asked me, “Well, Ed, now will you admit there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats?

I was shocked that he could not see the significant difference in the voting patterns of the two parties. I answered,

The difference is obvious. Look at the votes of our US Congress. Republicans mostly support our Constitution and freedom. Democrats don’t. And Romney, even if not your perfect candidate, would not have been an enemy of America as Obama is.”

Ask your friends who did not support Romney, “Why?” America had the opportunity to dump illegal Obama but for the right-wing extremists in the tea parties who claimed “There was no difference between Romney and Obama, or between Republicans and Democrats, or that they cannot vote for the lesser of two evils, etc.”

They shot themselves in the foot, and brought down all conservatives by giving the victory to the liberals.

These insane “reasons” are why we now have Obama taking away our rights. This is what many tea party folks voted for. Voters should have known they would get people like Perez when they did not vote for Romney. Put the blame where it belongs. It’s not Obama’s fault. It’s the voters fault. People have no right to complain about what they voted for. They voted for their own slavery. And they think they are patriots!

Our only hope for the future is to wake up the people to what they have done. Maybe this must start with a basic course in logic, which most activists are totally missing.

A better comparison is between Tea Party activists and eco-freaks. The activists on the right don’t understand how to vote in their own best interests. The eco-freaks on the left support whatever green ideology is in vogue even if it is insane. Both extremes say, “the truth doesn’t matter.” They will not accept data that contradicts their false ideas.

To be more clear, I use the word “extremist” to define those who support an ideology that promotes invalid solutions to real problems. This definition is different from that used by the despicable Southern Poverty Law Center, which is itself an extremist organization.

Evidence that contradicts the claim that Rs and Ds are the same.

As Einstein said, “Many experiments may prove me right but it takes only one to prove me wrong.

Let’s review one example among many that prove there is a significant and important difference between Republicans and Democrats: The US Senate vote of March 23, 2013, on Senator Inhofe’s (R) Amendment #139 to the Senate Congressional Resolution 8, the Budget for FY 2014.

Inhofe’s Amendment was “To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.”

Every conservative, including Tea Party folks, supports our Second Amendment. Therefore they support Inhofe’s Amendment. Where did the Republicans stand?

The vote in favor of the amendment was 53 to 46. The 46 US Senators who voted “No” voted to trash our Second Amendment. They were 44 Democrats and 2 Independents. All Republicans voted for the amendment to save our Second Amendment.

So who are the Tea Party’s worst enemies? Obviously, the Democrats.

Therefore, please tell me WHY Reverend Chuck Baldwin and Oath Keeper founder Stewart Rhodes and other self-proclaimed patriots say “there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats,” and who would not support Republicans over Democrats in the 2012 election?

Are they morons, or are they subconsciously promoting enemies of our Constitution because more elected enemies helps their business?

Here are the 46 US Senators who voted against our Second Amendment:

  1. Baldwin (D-WI)
  2. Baucus (D-MT)
  3. Bennet (D-CO)
  4. Blumenthal (D-CT)
  5. Boxer (D-CA)
  6. Brown (D-OH)
  7. Cantwell (D-WA)
  8. Cardin (D-MD)
  9. Carper (D-DE)
  10. Casey (D-PA)
  11. Coons (D-DE)
  12. Cowan (D-MA)
  13. Durbin (D-IL)
  14. Feinstein (D-CA)
  15. Franken (D-MN)
  16. Gellibrand (D-NY)
  17. Harkin (D-IA)
  18. Hirono (D-HI)
  19. Johnson (D-SD)
  20. Kaine (D-VA)
  21. King (I-ME)
  22. Klobuchar (D-MN)
  23. Landrieu (D-LA)
  24. Leahy (D-VT)
  25. Levin (D-MI)
  26. McCaskill (D-MO)
  27. Menendez (D-NJ)
  28. Merkley (D-OR)
  29. Mikulski (D-MD)
  30. Murphy (D-CT)
  31. Murray (D-WA)
  32. Nelson (D-FL)
  33. Reed (D-RI)
  34. Reid (D-NV)
  35. Rockefeller (D-WV)
  36. Sanders (I-VT)
  37. Schatz (D-HI)
  38. Schumer (D-NY)
  39. Shaheen (D-NH)
  40. Stabenow (D-MI)
  41. Udall (D-CO)
  42. Udall (D-NM)
  43. Warner (D-VA)
  44. Warren (D-MA)
  45. Whitehouse (D-RI)
  46. Wyden (D-OR


13 thoughts on ““There’s not a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats””

  1. Ed; I read your artical on why people like me didn't vote for Romney. I also didn't vote for O. The games that the Romney camp play at the state conventions, (yes I was at Nevadas')plus a close look at the people who made up his "team" made me distrust him more. I think you have overshot the target on this one. We want true change, back to limited government, back to to a true Federal Republic. That jackass was going to change anything. He was and is in bed with all the wrong people from big banks/ federal reserve and the neo-cons. We could have had eight years of him, now if we can survive O for four years maybe we can get someone who won't keep selling us out. Ed, also check out the rule changes the GOP made to turn it into a party of backroom boys giving us who they want for POTUS. There is no difference.

  2. Dear nvrancher,
    You are making a big logical mistake. You assume because you can find some fault with Romney therefore Romney is as bad as Obama. You have taken an indefensible position.

    Obama, as distinct from Romney,

    trashes our Constitution,
    supports gun control and confiscation,
    supports government promoted abortions,
    destroys our excellent medical system,
    destroys our military,
    uses our military against our friends,
    uses our military where it should not be used,
    arms DHS against American citizens,
    puts Muslims in high positions in our government,
    kills American citizens,
    lets our enemies kill our ambassador,
    lets our enemies kill our Navy SEAL Team 6,
    masquerades as a president when he is illegal,
    pushes amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants,
    overspends our national budget to purposely destroy our economy,
    does not protect our borders,
    inserts Southern Poverty Law Center into our police forces,
    lets Monsanto control our food,
    stops nuclear energy,
    stops oil and gas development on public lands,
    stops so far the Keystone pipeline,
    works to destroy America's abundant low-cost energy,
    works with Putin to bring down America's defense,
    works with Soros to undermine our way of life,
    etc, etc, etc.

    In summary, your lack of voting for Romney makes you responsible for allowing Obama and liberal environmental organizations to take away our freedom. You have allowed your mind to be influenced by the forces of evil who want people like you to think there is "no difference between Romney and Obama."

    I don't think you intended to vote against America by not supporting Romney over Obama, but you sure allowed yourself to be led astray from common sense. Just review the very many posts on PolyMontana that compare Romney and Obama. The difference is as significant as the difference between good and evil. You have focused on the little games as if they were the important issues. In doing so, you missed the forest because your nose was smashed against a tree.

  3. Ed: You and I will agree on far more things than we will ever disagree on. You are an eloquent speaker for many of the causes we believe in. That sir is why, after we found your site, we read it almost every day. However back to the orginal comment. I could take your list and offer a rebuttal on almost every point. My position, that I failed to make in my reply, was that we should not and cannot afford to "enable" the GOP to put forth such weak candidates as Romney. Do not assume that I voted for Obama. I did not. The GOP is not my party, right or wrong…it has to be right.

    Ed, one more thing, not dealing with this past election. Can you offer any insight as to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, and what is their agenda? They just bought the ranch to the south of us and they have purchased other ranches in the area with the stated goal of sending the water down stream.They claim they are going to keep these ranches in production. How do you do that without water? The only thing I can see is, they are going to dry them up. So we have lost jobs and lost tax base, all provided by a government agency. Are they just another vehicle for delivering Agenda 21 to us?

    P.S. Congrats. on the rowing.

  4. @3 nvrancher,

    We have little power over who the people nominate in either party. Ron Paul ran but lost to Romney. I supported Ron Paul in the primary because, in my opinion, he would have done much to clean up our out-of-control federal government. So we tried but Romney got more votes.

    At that point, we knew the next president would be either Obama or Romney. There were no other possibilities. Given this reality, I think every conservative should have supported and voted for Romney. If they had, we would all be much better off today.

    By the way, did you watch this video by Bill Whittle, "Here's what Romney should have said"?

    I added the link to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation to your comment. It is clearly a well-funded environmental organization. Its website reeks with Agenda 21 promotions. The code words speak for themselves: mitigating, engaging, protecting, sustainable, stewardship, etc. It has a project called "Acres for America" which may be what is going on near you. Environmental organizations are all about eliminating jobs so they can remove people from the land.

  5. Bad Ass Berry,

    One more thing, I believe it is more appropriate to proclaim that the Democratic Party and Republicasn Party are two sides of the same coin.

  6. @5,6, Dear Redbone,

    The US Senate votes prove you wrong. The votes prove there is a big difference in the parties and Republicans are better for our freedom than Democrats.

    Cold hard data has disproved your hypothesis. Now, if you have any common sense, you will discard your failed hypothesis and seek better understanding of the political process.

    When you show problems with the Republican Party that does not prove it is as bad as the Democratic Party. Logic 101.

    Did I say the Republican Party is perfect? Never! It's close to disaster but it is still better than the Democratic Party. And voting third party gives us Democrats.

    The R and D difference is obvious when you look at the Montana. The Republican-dominated legislature passed some very good legislation but our Democratic Governor vetoed almost all of it.

    But for those like you who claim there is "no difference between Republicans and Democrats," and who voted Libertarian to "teach Republicans a lesson," we would have had a Republican Governor who would have signed all the good legislation our Republican legislature passed.

    Was Republican governor candidate Rick Hill "perfect"? No. Are you perfect? No. Am I perfect? No. Don't get so hung up on imperfections that you cannot see the vast differences in people and in political parties.

    As Sheriff Richard Mack correctly advised when he encouraged people like you to vote Republican rather than Libertarian, "We must take out our worst enemies first."

    This means we must out the Democrats first. Had Montana Libertarians followed Sheriff Mack's advice, we would have far more freedom and a better economy in Montana today.

  7. Both parties rely on big business to fund their campaigns. Therefore, the agenda for both parties is controlled by the same entity. I know I am just a simple minded Christian who believes in the absolute sovereignty of Yehweh; however, even this simple mind can understand certain things. Devvy points out very clearly that we have a continuity of agenda taking place. I guess once again Ed we are going to have to agree to disagree.

    By the way was it you who posted right after the election that the Libertarian vote was not responsible for the political results in the election of 2013?

  8. Dear Redbone,

    @8, You are laughing at Sheriff Mack and many other authors in PolyMontana who agree with my position.

    @9, If you read what I wrote about the 2012 elections, you will see I said the Libertarian vote did not make a difference in the National election but it did make the difference in the Montana election. This is direct from the voting data and it leaves no room for opinion.

    Reasoning from specific to general, as you are doing, is a known logical fallacy. In this instance, it means you cannot conclude on the basis of some bad Republicans, McCain is an excellent example, that all Republicans are bad or that whole Republican Party is bad … or that it makes the Republican Party as bad as the Democratic Party. There are vastly different degrees of "badness."

    Suppose, for example, you scored 145 on an IQ test and another person scored 66. Is it correct for me to conclude, because neither of you scored 200, that you are no different from and no more capable than the person who scored 66?

    Or suppose, as another example, you need a home and someone offers you one of two homes for free. One home is totally junk and must be demolished. The other home is a fixer-upper. Would you conclude there is no difference between the homes?

    You claim the agenda of both parties is the same. Where are these agendas stated? What is your proof?

    Have you reviewed the platforms of each party? Have you read the vastly different platforms of Romney and Obama?

    If you take time to honestly review the data, you will conclude the Republican Party, as much as you may dislike it, is your best hope for America. Ignore this fact at your peril.

  9. Dr.Ed,

    "If you take time to honestly review the data, you will conclude the Republican Party, as much as you may dislike it, is your best hope for America. Ignore this fact at your peril."

    You see Dr. Ed, I place no faith or hope in workings of man. I understand that nothing in this universe of ours takes place without the approval and knowledge of our creator, Yehweh. Proverbs 21:1 "The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Yehweh; He turns it wherever He wishes." (NASB) Job 42:2 "I know that You can do all things, And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted." To you these words may mean nothing, I do not know what is in your heart; however, to me they mean everything. The words of the Bible is what I try to base my life on. The Word instructs me that nothing happens outside the will of Yehweh. Do you realize Dr. Ed that every prophesy in the Bible was based on a date that they would happen. Now if Yehweh is not in total control then how is it that this can happen. For Instance, Yehoshuah cried out "It is finished" at the exact moment that the Chief Priest cried out "It is finished" on the Passover in 30 AD in the Jewish month of Nisan. Is that a coincidence? I personally think not. Yehoshuah's crucifixion happened at the exact time of the morning sacrifice. Just another coincidence? I do not believe that the Word of God supports the "Watchmaker God" who created the universe, put it in motion, and then sits back and watches it play out.

    Dr. Ed, our nation is under Yehweh's judging hand. Biblical evidence supports my view in the form of Romans 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
    Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. This sound like what you wrote to me at the end of your rebuttal. Let me continue with my Biblical proof, what could Yehweh's judgement look like? He tells us that he will remove His restraining hand and turn us over to our lusts. Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
    Rom 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
    Rom 1:27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. This happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, with the tribe of Benjamin, the Roman Empire, and other great societies that have come under Yehweh's judgement.

    So will you please excuse me if I do not subscribe to your humanistic approach to solving our problems. In addition, I do not "dislike" the Republican party, I do not trust them. I find Republicans like Senator Ted Cruz TX and Iowa Congressman Steve King to be forthright men. I never said that each party carries the exact same agenda. Instead, I believe that each party has a role to play. They must keep their constituents satisfied to retain their voting block. However, you asked for some proof of a continuity of agenda. The following excerpt is take from the article that I linked to in post #5, "We the people must take a pro-active position and fight them on this as we did back in 2003. Bush, Jr., thought he could ram the “total information awareness” program down our throats because the evil doers count on the American people being unaware of what's going on or simply don't care about their freedom and liberty. Suddenly, more and more unconstitutional draconian bills become "law". The Marxist in the White House has only continued where his predecessors left off." Bush junior proposes the Act and his successor enacts it. I may not have your acumen in the political party realm or many other areas, you are indeed a very intelligent man; however, you must be careful that you do not trade an eternity with the Father for this short time here on Earth. Just remember Romans 1:22 "Professing to be wise, they became fools,"

    When I say that "you make me laugh" I am not laughing in ridicule. Personally, I do not care who agrees with you. Sheriff Mack's position holds nothing special. I am not trying to be disrespectful but I do not personally know you or Sheriff Mack nor any of your authors; therefore, I am unaware of any underlying motives.

    Best of luck in trying to change the minds of the Montana Libertarians in your quest to get them to vote for the Republican candidates for state offices.

    God Bless,

  10. @11, Hi Redbone,

    Thank you very much for your many comments in PolyMontana.

    I don't debate religion. That is where each of us must make our own personal decision.

    Regarding Ted Cruz, you may be interested in this post by JB Williams: Ted Cruz: The next ineligible RNC darling.

  11. Ed,

    I never insinuated that I would vote for Ted Cruz for president. May be it is time for you to stand up and tell the few people who frequent this site what your ideal Republican will look like. I offer up Ted Cruz and you point to an article questioning his legality to be president. Ed if you have paid any attention to what I wrote you would understand my position. Instead, you see Bible verses and you stand on, That is where each of us must make our own personal decision." I say it is nothing but a cop out. Good day to you Ed.

    p.s. One thing that you are doing extremely well at is chasing people away from your site. I, sir, have written my last words on this site. I will pray for you that you find the Word of God to be as important as your love for the humanism your drool over your keyboard as you pound away at the last vestiges of your viewership.

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